Xaiox X3 bringt Pocketnavi Einsteiger zur Verzweiflung

Hallo,

ich benötige dringend HILFE von Profis.

Hab einen Dell Axim X30 (bin begeistert) und habe mir eine GPS Maus Xaiox X3 gekauft.

Irgendwie harmonieren die Geräte nicht oder ich mach etwas grundlegend falsch.

Mein Problem: Mit Navigon 4 wird die Maus machmal erkannt und bringt auch gleich Satelliten meistens zeigt die Software aber an, daß keine GPS Maus vorhanden ist. Der PDA wird dann ziemlich langsam und stüzt zum Teil auch ab. Ich nehme am PDA keine Änderungen vor und trotzdem funktioniert es manchmal. Ich habe den verdacht das die frisch gelieferte Maus oder das Kabel defekt ist. Der PDA synchronisiert fleisig mit dem PC - ein Defekt an der Schnittstelle wird wohl nicht vorliegen. Ich bin auch gedulig vor dem PDA gesessen und hab gewartet ob die Maus sich vielleicht irgendwan initialisiert (in der Anleitung steht beim ersten Anschließen könnte es bis zu 30 Minuten dauern bis der erste Satellit gefunden wird). Ich glaube aber das Vorhandensein einer Maus sollte der PDA doch gleich erkennen, oder?

Weis jemand, ob ich was falsch mache oder der GPS Empfänger kaputt ist?

PS: Hab das Programm GPS Viewer installiert und siehe da! Der GPS Empfänger wird immer erkannt und die korrekte Possition wird ermittelt. Liegt es nun an der Software? Muß man da einen Treiber oder ähnliches installieren?

Hallo,

ich bin kein Profi, aber ich vermute, daß deine Maus die falschen oder zu viele Protokolle für Navignon sendet. Wenn du die Möglichkeit hast deine Maus umzuprogrammieren, dann verwende die NMEA Datensätze GGA und VTG, die anderen kannst du abstellen. Da deine Maus einen "exotischen" Chipsatz hat, brauchst du dafür natürlich die entsprechende Software vom Hersteller.

Gruß CW

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Hallo,

ich benötige dringend HILFE von Profis.

Hab einen Dell Axim X30 (bin begeistert) und habe mir eine GPS Maus Xaiox X3 gekauft.

Irgendwie harmonieren die Geräte nicht oder ich mach etwas grundlegend falsch.

Mein Problem: Mit Navigon 4 wird die Maus machmal erkannt und bringt auch gleich Satelliten meistens zeigt die Software aber an, daß keine GPS Maus vorhanden ist. Der PDA wird dann ziemlich langsam und stüzt zum Teil auch ab. Ich nehme am PDA keine Änderungen vor und trotzdem funktioniert es manchmal. Ich habe den verdacht das die frisch gelieferte Maus oder das Kabel defekt ist. Der PDA synchronisiert fleisig mit dem PC - ein Defekt an der Schnittstelle wird wohl nicht vorliegen. Ich bin auch gedulig vor dem PDA gesessen und hab gewartet ob die Maus sich vielleicht irgendwan initialisiert (in der Anleitung steht beim ersten Anschließen könnte es bis zu 30 Minuten dauern bis der erste Satellit gefunden wird). Ich glaube aber das Vorhandensein einer Maus sollte der PDA doch gleich erkennen, oder?

Weis jemand, ob ich was falsch mache oder der GPS Empfänger kaputt ist?

PS: Hab das Programm GPS Viewer installiert und siehe da! Der GPS Empfänger wird immer erkannt und die korrekte Possition wird ermittelt. Liegt es nun an der Software? Muß man da einen Treiber oder ähnliches installieren?

Alles anzeigen

Hallo und herzkich willlkommen híer.

Poste mal ein log. Mit VisualGPSA mache ich das immer.

Hallo,

und vielen Dank für die Antworten.

Ich habe wie angeraten ein Log mit VisualGPS erstellt.

So wie ich das als Einsteiger erkenne, sendet die Maus die Protokolle GGA und VTG. Was ich jetzt natürlich nicht weiß, ob diese Protokolle auch korrekt gesendet werden.

Ist dies der Fall, dann muss sich Navigon 4 an zu vielen Protokollen stören. Ist das möglich?

Hab auch TOMTOM 3 ausprobiert, da funktioniert alles bestens. Leider gehört mir das Programm nicht .

Also, anbei das (oder der?) Log.

Hoffe mir kann jemand weiter helfen.

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Hallo,

die Maus sendet GSA und GSV alle 3 sec, außerdem RMC und VTG.

Das ist mit Sicherheit für den MN4 zuviel.

MN4 benötigt GGA und RMC oder VTG. Setze mal GGA und VTG auf 1, alle anderen auf 0. Dann sollte es gehen.

Allerdings bekommst Du in VisualGPSce oder anderen Progs dann keine Satinformationen mehr, dazu müssten dann alle wieder auf 1, Ausnahme GSA und GSV auf 5 (reicht mit 5).

Hallo,

das Abschalten der Protokolle kann sicherlich helfen, aber war das nicht mal irgendwas mit dem Dell X30? Kann mich täuschen.

Was sicherlich auch mal überprüft werden sollte ist, wieviel freier Speicher bei Programmstart vorhanden ist, da ist der Navigon MN4 etwas eigen. Allerdings habe ich dabei noch keine Empfangsprobleme gesehen, eher Einfrieren oder Abstürze.

Auch noch mal die Frage, welcher Empfänger beim MN4 eingestelllt ist und auf welcher Baudrate die Xaiox steht. Funktionieren sollte hier beim MN4 "Anderer Empfänger" und bei beiden 4800 Baud.

Gruss, Snoopy

P.S.: @Charly, kann man die Baudrate eigentlich dem Log entnehmen? Wohl eher nicht, oder?

Zitat

Original von Snoopy63

P.S.: @Charly, kann man die Baudrate eigentlich dem Log entnehmen? Wohl eher nicht, oder?

Hallo Snoopy,

nicht dass ich wüsste. Bei TTN-logs stehen am Anfang 4 TTN-Zeilen mit Mauseinstellungen:

$PTOM101,PocketPC,FUJITSU SIEMENS COMPUTERS Pocket LOOX 720,2577,4.21*66
$PTOM102,GPS Engine,421,Haicom GPS,CF_CARD GENERIC*32
$PTOM103,041220,130906.000,041220,140906.000*33
$PTOM104,\LOOXstore\GPS Log\GPS20041220140906-busy.pgl*24

aber die Baudrate ist da nicht drin.

Hallo,

ich bins wieder.

Gleich vorab - das Problem hat sich in Wolhgefallen aufgelöst.

Hab versucht herauszufinden ob ich für das Funktioniern und nicht Funktionieren eine Regelmäßigkeit herausfinden kann. Und das hab ich dann auch:

Wenn ich MN4 gestartet habe und die Einstellungen aus einer für die Xaiox falschen Einstellung heraus auf "Anderer Empfänger" und 9600 Baud eingestellt habe hat der MN4 die Maus immer erkannt. Habe ich dann den MN4 beendet und neu gestartet ging nichts mehr. Dann falsche Einstellung speicher, richtige Einstellung seichern - und die Maus war wieder da. Wenn ich vorher keine falsche Einstellunggespeichert habe sondern nur die richtige Einstellung im Menü nochmals gespeichert habe ging nichts (das hab ich ziemlich oft probiert und es hat deshalb so lange gedauert bis ich dahinter gestiegen bin).

Der MN4 hat scheinbar die Einstellungen nicht richtig gespeichert und beim Neustart igend eine andere Einstellung genommen. Also ein reines Software Problem.

Und jetzt werden mich sicher einige steinigen wollen: Ich hatte die Version 4.0. Update von der Hersteller Homepage - alles klappt wunderbar! So blöd muß man erst mal sein, bei einem Problem nicht sofort auf Updates checken!

Na ja, ich bitte um Entschuldigung für die Mühe und sage nochmals Danke für Eure Antworten.

Soviel kann ich jetzt aber beisteuern:

Die Xaiox Maus kann ich empfehlen. Ein Fix bei frisch eingeschalteter Maus dauert knapp über einer 1/2 Minute. Die Updaterate von einer Sekunde scheint im verglich mit anderen Geräten auch gut zu sein. Ich empfange immer zwischen 7 und 11 Satelliten (in der Großstadt hab ich es noch nicht probiert). Und günstig war die Maus auch.

:gap